Friday, 9 March 2012

NASA and the Sikh's Sri Guru Granth Sahib


A Blog Post by Bayani Mills (@bayanimills)

In June 2007 a story began to circulate that NASA was testing various Holy Scriptures for their scientific integrity, and that NASA was stunned by a specific book about its "answers" about their questions about the Universe.

I first heard of this from a Sikh I work with, he explained to me that 
that NASA “consults” the SGGS for answers to their questions about the cosmos, and that the SGGS had divine knowledge not known to man at the time, referencing the heliocentric model as a specific example, he assured me that it was a Sikh Guru who first suggested the Earth was not the center of the solar system – no one else.

When questioned, he was adamant that the story was true, declaring that his source was a news website, though despite repeated attempts, he never came through with a link to it.  So, I started to have a look around for the source - And found it:

Since the initial post, the story has been recycled in a number of different ways with mixed reactions by Sikhs; some are rightly skeptical, others apathetic, and some quite credulous about the whole matter.

In 2008 the instigator of the myth, Manpreet Singh confirmed he wrote the article without evidence to support his story -:

Thanks Manvir I had written an article on NASA taking Guru Granth Sahib help..last year..and many people asked me to back it up with some proof..Today you have given it to me..” -

Manpreet was referring to audio on DiscoverSikhi.com where, according to the website, the host, Bhai Bhagwan Singh is said to be recounting a meeting with Banarsi Lal Chawla. Banarsi Lal’s daughter was Kalpana Chawla, a space shuttle mission specialist and was the first Panjabi to travel into space. She died on the 1st of February 2003 with the six other crew members in the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster.

Bhai Bhagwan Singh recounts Banarsi Lal telling him that his daughter performed daily prayers in the morning, was a vegetarian, recited Japji Sahib whilst she worked, and recited Japji Sahib while in space.

The host tells the story of how Banarsi Lal had an opportunity to visit the NASA centre at San Jose and that it was during his visit there he was shown a volume of an English translation of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, kept at the NASA library. It was also while there, Banarsi was told “when scientists get tired of searching and searching the universe, when they seek inspiration and need to uplift their souls they turn to read the translations of Guru Nanak’s poetry and divine-songs which describe the awe and wonder of the Universe.”

Despite the claims made by Bhai Bhagwan Singh about Banarsi Lal and Kalpana, I came across a post by JeanPierre Harrison, Kalpana’s husband, where he stated the following at this forum.

It is a mystery - as well as dishonest - how people dream up this nonsense. Kalpana was antagonistic towards and had absolutely no interest in religion. She is the last person one would ever find studying any religious text. It is also quote obvious that researchers at NASA Ames do not search Guru Granth Sahib for "inspiration". NASA Ames is a scientific institution, not a wasteland of superstition.”

I got in contact with Jean Pierre to verify that it was him that made the statement. He confirmed that it was, explicitly expressing his anger that people would use Kalpana’s name to peddle their superstitions.

Ultimately, the fact is NASA does have a massive collection of books in their numerous libraries; while I was not able to verify that ANY religious book formed part of these libraries, it certainly would not surprise me - It would not also surprise me that men of science would enjoy a bit of poetry about the universe; but what would be surprising is if NASA was getting answers about the universe from a 500 year old text, rather than the instruments they spent millions putting in to space.

When NASA scientists want to know specific answers about the cosmos, they look up to the skies – they don’t read religious books.


Bayani Mills is an amateur skeptic with an interest in science and technology. More of his promotion of critical thinking and skeptical activism can be found at his website.


146 comments:

Charanjit Singh said...

Sounds like a very plausible account of how the story spread.
Leaving everything aside, the SGGS contains references to the universe which just mimic the popular lore prevalent about it at that time. Among other things, akasa (sky), patala (nether world) tre lok (three worlds) are mentioned in the same breath as the description of the Universe.

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Anonymous said...

Though the author has tried to add more flavor to the original story and , again, without any evidence of his source, has created another story around the stories that are already around. such an author has very limited and dismal knowledge of Sri Guru Granth sahib Ji.. referring it to a '500 year old text' just shows his narrow mindedness and before referring to any religion or religious text or quote, one should learn the history behind it, which the author definitely has no clue about. Satinder Kaur

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Anonymous said...

The author of this so called skeptic blog seems to have quite the ignorance and narrowmindedness. They should read about the Guru Granth Sahib Ji and/or other religious texts before dismissing it aside and making preconceived notions.

Anonymous said...

Some racist dude who thinks Sikhism is superstitious in an attempt to defend Hinduism. The SGGS is beyond any religious text. I have read the major scriptures and only Sikhism is close to the truth.

Anonymous said...

To the SKEPTIC that wrote this.
I understand wholly that NASA would not turn to Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for answers to the universe.
That said, do not disrespect our most sublime Guru the way you have done. You are supposed to be a learned person, but the bile that spills from your mouth is of an idiot. Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji wrote 500 years ago that there are thousands of other worlds with life on them, and what is being discovered now, worlds that can support life. If people actually listened to our Guru they could learn a lot more, but everyone has their own path.
I just ask you to keep your bile to yourself, or better still, research both sides of the story before you disrespect our faith and most of all our most loving Guru.
Amritpal

gsmalhadia said...

कोई भी हिन्दू मुस्लिम सिक्ख ईसाई बौद्ध जैनी या अन्य किसी धर्म को मानने वाला सिक्खों की धार्मिक पुस्तक का अनादर बेअदबी करने से पूर्व एक बार जरूर पड़े
गुरु ग्रंथ साहिब जी सिक्खो का हि नहीं पूरी मानवता का सांझा ग्रंथ है इसमें दर्ज बाणी में लिखा गया है
1.अव्वल अला नूर उपाया कुदरत के सब बंदे एक नूर ते सब जग उपजिया कौन भले कौन मंदे
2.हरि जी आए हरि जी आए छड सिंहासन हरि जी आए
3.जान जानिए। राजा राम की कहानी
4.तेरी पनाह है खुदाए तु बखशिंदगी शेख फरिदे खैर दीजे बंदगी
यह सब पंक्तियां गुरु ग्रंथ साहिब जी में दर्ज हैं इसके अलावा
गुरुग्रन्थ साहिब में मात्र 6 सिख गुरुओं की हि बाणी उपदेश नहीं है, वरन् 30 अन्य हिन्दू और मुस्लिम भक्तों की वाणी 15 भगतों, 11 भाटों तथा चार गुरु घर के कीर्तनी एवं निकटवर्ती भाई सत्ता, भाई बलविंद्र, बाबा सुंदर एवं भाई मर्दाना की बाणी भी सम्मिलित है। इसमे जहां जयदेवजी और परमानंदजी जैसे ब्राह्मण भक्तों की वाणी है, वहीं जाति-पांति के आत्महंता भेदभाव से ग्रस्त तत्कालीन समाज में हेय समझे जाने वाली जातियों के प्रतिनिधि दिव्य आत्माओं जैसे कबीर, रविदास, नामदेव, सैण जी, सघना जी, छीवाजी, धन्ना की वाणी भी सम्मिलित है। पांचों वक्त नमाज पढ़ने में विश्वास रखने वाले शेख फरीद के श्लोक भी गुरु ग्रंथ साहिब में दर्ज हैं।
इस ग्रंथ में हरि शब्द 8344 बार, राम शब्द 2533 बार, प्रभु शब्द 1371 बार, गोपाल शब्द 491 बार, गोबिंद शब्द 475 बार तथा अल्लाह शब्द 46 बार अंकित है। गुरु ग्रंथ साहिब में कुल 1430 अंग हैं, जिसमें अक्षरों की कुल संख्या 10 लाख 24 हजार है तथा इसमें 31 रागों 22 वारों में की बाणी दर्ज है।
गुरुग्रन्थ साहिब में मात्र 6 सिख गुरुओं की हि बाणी उपदेश नहीं है, वरन् 30 अन्य हिन्दू और मुस्लिम भक्तों की वाणी 15 भगतों, 11 भाटों तथा चार गुरु घर के कीर्तनी एवं निकटवर्ती भाई सत्ता, भाई बलविंद्र, बाबा सुंदर एवं भाई मर्दाना की बाणी भी सम्मिलित है। इसमे जहां जयदेवजी और परमानंदजी जैसे ब्राह्मण भक्तों की वाणी है, वहीं जाति-पांति के आत्महंता भेदभाव से ग्रस्त तत्कालीन समाज में हेय समझे जाने वाली जातियों के प्रतिनिधि दिव्य आत्माओं जैसे कबीर, रविदास, नामदेव, सैण जी, सघना जी, छीवाजी, धन्ना की वाणी भी सम्मिलित है। पांचों वक्त नमाज पढ़ने में विश्वास रखने वाले शेख फरीद के श्लोक भी गुरु ग्रंथ साहिब में दर्ज हैं।

first_time_buyer said...

Where ignorance is bliss it's folly to be wise. Idiots will not understand a a thing no matter.how much evidence you put forth. Saying nasa reads granth sahib is preposterous. It's funny how even so called educated people argue about this without giving smallest of evidence. Nope, anything that glorifies our holy scriptures has to be true. Wonder how many sikhs would support it if it was.about some other.religious books.

bal mattu said...

The writer is only taking an anecdote of what kalpanas widowed husband had said. She never spoke to him, but more importantly she just disregarded what Kalpanas own father said. She did not even speak to Kalpana father, whereas the gentleman in the story had. As we know who knows their kid better than than their parents, so why does she discount what Kalpana father said about doing japji sahib prayer in space, but totally accept what her husband says. Is she not showing her own bias then.

bal mattu said...

The writer is only taking an anecdote of what kalpanas widowed husband had said. She never spoke to him, but more importantly she just disregarded what Kalpanas own father said. She did not even speak to Kalpana father, whereas the gentleman in the story had. As we know who knows their kid better than than their parents, so why does she discount what Kalpana father said about doing japji sahib prayer in space, but totally accept what her husband says. Is she not showing her own bias then.

jj said...

Typical white guy ...

No religion or its texts are a wasteland of superstition ... idiot!!!

Anonymous said...

The writer's post seems to be very immatured, without any research and somewhere sounds biased also. The writer seems to forget that the Holy scripture was written at that time when the West thought that the earth was flat and not round. Their knowledge about the universe was nill. It seems the writer isn't able to digest this.

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It seems the writer isn't able to digest this.

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Anonymous said...

Shiri guru granth sahib has given us all the answers we will ever find, we don't need scientific evidence to verify anything for us, research anything written about space in it and you will find the same answers as nasa is finding out today, as a scientist I can tell you right now I have read it many a time to verify some answers we just don't have and it always has answered every single question spot on

Kamaljeet Singh said...

Can u tell us a proper address of the destination where the parksah has been set up in USA..

Raj Grewal said...

Thank you Satinder Kaur. I believe arrogance is the biggest culprit as well.

Anonymous said...

Baki Saab tan theek aa Galelio te Copernicus kadon hoye need ehda Punjabian nu Koi Gyan hi ni lagda....Bas antim Sach te sui adhi hoi aa......Ohh Bhai bakasho

HS Karmuwala said...

Thanks for such a great writing.

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HS Karmuwala said...

Nothing is there like superstitious in sikhism and that so called skeptic should go and know about sikhism. There is no place for superstitious in sikhism. Sikhism is fully fact based religion . nobody with superpowers,etc is part of sikhism's history. You should have full knowledge about anything which you wrote about.

Harry No cast said...

True :)

Bobby S said...

Those idiots has problems with SGGS Please explain about Baba Deep Singh ji how he fight with enemies without head? While he was put his head on his palm and other hand holding sword to fight. Bhai Taru singh ji live 21 days without scalp? There is a lot more Sikh saheed in Sikh religious that prove power of god, not NASA

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Reality said...

First of all Guru Nanak Dev ji never stamped his baani to any religion. At that time Sikhism was not made. He never said he is Sikh and writing baani for Sikhism. All Gurus were from Hindu families and even in SGGS wherever there is mention of God only Hindu Avtaar’s names are used. Panjvi Paatshahi used Lord Krishna’s names in all his Baani. Guru Gobind Singh Ji was devoted of Durga and his favourite food was Halwa Puri. Whether someone accepts it or not but this is ultimate truth that SGGS Banni believes in Hindu Avtars. Even Guru Nanak d v Ji used Ram Shahad for God. People these days being fanatic about their religion. If you ask any radical Sikh meaning of only Paath from SGGS they are unable to explain. Their children don’t have any knowledge about great scripture of SGGS and they claim they are Sikhs. They make fun of Hinduism but they are basically make fun of their own Gurus by doing this because in Sikh temples radical people are making provoking speeches and young generation made them their Guru instead of their ten dehdhari gurus and 11 thx Guru SGGS.

Reality said...

Have you witnessed what Kalpana’s father said. Who knows it’s just a created story.

Reality said...

Vedas are based on scientific logics. All arithmetic formulas and scientific formulas came out from Vedas and zero is also given by Hinduism. All Ayurvedic and herbal treatments came out of Vedas. Yoga came out of Hinduism. Even Ardas starts from Pratham Bhagwati simriye. Who is Bhagwati. It’s name of Durga MATA. Golden temple is called Hari Mandir. Not Gurudwara. Guru Gobind Singh Ji got Talwar after worshipping Durga. Guru Gobind singh Ji’s known languages were Sanskrit Hindi Braj and later he learned many other languages. If Sikhs still deny to believe this then God bless them. Even Waheguru Shahad came out from four Hindu Avtara’s w- wishnu H- Hari G- Gobind R -Ram. Hindus respect SGGS a lot and all gurus especially Guru Gobind Singh Ji and making their first born son Sikh. People these days don’t realize that their for-fathers were Hindus. If Hindi family made their son Sikh and you are their current generation roots are Hindus. Why creating drift? This is called Agayaanta.

Reality said...

Even Raagas and Taalas are treasure of Hinduism. What is of Sikhism? Everything used by Sikhism if you see the history and go deeply into its roots it’s all Hinduism.

Reality said...

Raagas and Taals are not property of Sikhism.

HS Karmuwala said...

You r fucking hindu. & hinduism is just taught about piss drinking is it scientific??. Earth is on the horns of an animal. Is it scientific. Fuck you and your mother, who gave birth to you, Who think that person is different according to his or her caste. Fuck you. Go to hell. Whoever think hinduism is based on science just lost their minds. And no guru of sikhs ever praise your fucking idiots mythological gods. If you find any book stated that then, it is also created by your mythological religion lover, fucking hindus. I am dying laughing after reading your comment that fucking mythological hinduism is based on any science. Hinduism just believe pissdrinking, bowing their heads in front of stones, killing innocent people, creating caste discriminations, and many other motherfucking idiotic rules. I just say that whoever believe in hinduisn just die. That's why guru nanak dev ji didn't believed in mythological Hindus rules. And not any guru praise any fucking mythological god of hindu.

Reality said...

People who wants to cut their roots will not be successful. It’s some groups who are just spreading poison in Sikh youth and taking advantage of their ignorance and provoking them against Hinduism. Sikh youth not trying to learn SGGS and not trying to learn what actual 11 gurus are trying to teach. They just listen to provoking speeches in Sikh temples and made those Sikh leaders their Guru who are just spreading poison of hate.

HS Karmuwala said...

You r of mee. All the hindus are either becoming muslims, sikhs or giving up their religion because they eventually start knowing the fact that hinduism is just a mythology and many idiot and illiterate people are running behind that.

Reality said...

Hinduism is not mythology. It’s based on logical scientific facts and it’s proven. You could find truth of Mahabharata by visiting Bhimkund and many other places. Ramayana is also truth and it’s evidences are there. Truth about lord Shiva could be found on Kailash parvat which is in China. To learn about Hinduism you need to dig it deeply. Yeh har aerey garrey ke bas ki baat nahin.

HS Karmuwala said...

Hinduism is shit. Not based on any scienc.
If so prove how science state one person is different from another on base of his or her caste.

Reality said...

Well your amazing language tells which religion and caste you belong to. I can also imagine what kind of teachings and values your parents ga e you by your language. Good luck and keep it up you will grow so quickly. Watch videos on you tube “fights in Gurudwara”. In the whole world gurudwaras are so famous for fighting in front of their 11th Guru SGGS. All you could use the F word but could not prove my logical answers wrong with some solid evidences. I can imagine your education level too. No one disrespect SGGS like you people who claims it’s your Guru and claims that you believe in SGGS. You language don’t prove that you believe in SGGS because this is not the language taught by ten gurus.

Reality said...

Watch videos. You could see Sikhs fighting, pulling turbans, ladies pulling juraas of other women. Even in Ardas it’s says Sikhan nu sikhi Adan, bhrosa daan visah daan because he knew the coming Sikh generations won’t have these.

Reality said...

People who claim that they are fighting for their religion actually not dharmik. They just have nothing productive to do just fight. Well people who does not know how to respect their own gurus I don’t expect respect from those people. So never mind. I am not upset after reading your F words. Rather thankfull and if you have more dirt in your mind take that out on me. It might help to clean your mind little bit. Just want to advice for your betterment to read and understand the teachings of SGGS if you would read that with its meanings then you would know what actually all ten Gurus expect from a true Sikh.

HS Karmuwala said...

And your not answering my questions show that which science applied in mythological religion of hinduism. Killing innocent low caste people and Muslim and Sikhs on the basis of their caste and religion is what you all learn from your religion. I just know that if anyone try to convince any person by saying false things like " hinduism is science based and Sikh guru told this about their god." Then, we could say any shit words to that idiot person
To let him know that we are not going to be fool from these idiotic statements. Hinduism is just a piece of shit which I have learned in my whole life. Moreover, if you say about sikhs fighting in their gurudwaras then don't forgot that first of all, It is our sikhs personal matter. Secondly , don't forgot what hindu government and their idiot soldier did in 1984 inside gurudwaras , they raped innocent women inside gurudwaras, they enter inside gurudwaras without taking their shoes off. They smoke cigarettes inside gurudwaras. They shoot our gurudwaras. They shoot to the raagis. They shoot sri guru granth sahib ji. AND THEY ALL WAS HINDUS WHO DID THAT WHO SUPPORT THAT. similarly, what happened in gujrat in 2002 was done by hindu goons. AND DON'T FORGET WHAT KHALSA AID IS DOING IN BANGLADESH & SYRIA. They are helping people who are being damaged by terrorists or by bhudhist government.
Now please THINK ABOUT that what scientific hindus have done anything to help any person rather than destroying their houses and ruining their life.

HS Karmuwala said...

You could watch videos what hindu goons are doing with low caste persons.

Reality said...

Every person is different from other because of their qualities and disqualify. The same way we are different from each other. Your language tells your family background and my language tells my family background. If you believe in Guru Nanak Dev Ji then why you have pictures of golden temple bc Guru Nanak said God is inside you you don’t need any statue or picture to bow in front of you. If you believe in Guru Nanak why Gold n temple has Sarovar bc Guru Nank did not believe in Sarovar snaan. Why SGGS is placed as a statue and covered in bright piece of clothes as dirties in Hindi temples. Basically you all following Hinduism.

HS Karmuwala said...

You may not understand what does hindu goons are doing . you might be one of them. Fighting in Sikhism is for getting their rights that was what happening in gurudwara in that video. But, type of fighting which hindu do are just for ruining someone's life. Just on the basis of their caste and religion they start fighting with them.Don't you know about killing of the sikh boy in delhi. About killing of thousands of sikhs in all over India in 1984.

HS Karmuwala said...

Your statement that Hinduism is based on science don't make me sad but make me laugh on you. Thanks for such a great shit. My f words is because whenever I face any idiot saying any idiotic things , I like to make them understand to the truth and even if they don't understand.then, my mind just start processing these king of f&s word.which truly relate to their personality.

Reality said...

I am surprised you did not use a single F word in your this message. Whatever you have learned from people around you since your childhood. I just want you to come out from that shell and try to do your own search to find the facts. Only then you can find the truth because no matter whatever I tell you, you are not going to believe it. I could sense how much hatred accumulated inside you because you are believing what is shown to to you. But explore and do search in your own. I don’t know if you have gone to any court. Judge always listen to both sides stories and then give decision. People who judge someone on others opinions cannot judge right. People who judge others on their own experience always become good judge. So try that. I have answers for all your questions but I want you to do search on your own.

Reality said...

Bani says watch your own karmas notbothers. By the way who gave you right to correct others. You have no right on others. Just do what Bani says and if you are not doing that then it means you don’t even listen to your gurus.

Reality said...

People who fight do not belong to any religion. So don’t be part of that group. Like Hinduism Sikhism also believe in 84 lakh yonis. Also believe in rebirth. What if you born in Hindu family in your next birth. Just stay human and bring out this hatred because what happened in the history was all political. I can prove it but it needs long discussion. Your karmas will go with you in your next birth so it’s more important to be human rather than anything else. This is what Nanak said.

Reality said...

And thanks for laughing on my stmts. at least I made you laugh while you were so angry and using dirty words. And my stmts made you happy and that made you stop using foul language.

Reality said...

Gita says to stay in aatma and same thing Guru Nanak says that soul is your true identity and it’s always pure. It’s only physical body which is involved in good and bad karmas so stay in Aatma and get rid of hate because it will take you on wrong path. Or you can stay with this hate if you guarantee that in your next birth you will again take birth in Sikh family. Don’t waste your energy in negativity. Do Simran and positive energy will help you to come out of this and your soul will automatically tell you the truth. You would realize that you listed wasted important movements of your life in hating others.

Reality said...

You said Hinduism is SHIT. I completely agree with you. Yes it is Scientifically Holistically Immensely Triggered SHIT

HS Karmuwala said...

I don't believe in picture whether it is of gurudwaras or of gurus only people like you create confusion in all the religion same as in sikhism. Sarovar snan represent cleanliness of body. And.sri guru nanak dev ji said that only in.we should take care.of all.the things given to us by god same as with our body and our body parts.
So, for cleanloness of body we do sarovar snan. We are not like that people who bath in ganga which os filled with shit of animal as well as people. By the way is it science due to which your hindus.told.that we should bath in ganga to get rid of sins of our entire life.

HS Karmuwala said...

And if you talk about family background language don't tell about it but, what you do told about it and your statements about science and hinduism tell me that you are 10000% from a illiterate family . tell me if I am right which I think I am.

HS Karmuwala said...

You could read our rules and regulations of sikhism in rehat maryada which clearly says that pictures are not allowed in any of the gurudwara. But , people like you create confusion and become fool and starts doing that things. But, I am.afraid if your.scientific hinduism religion don't bow their heads in front of stones.

Reality said...

Without knowing the truth one should not throw stones on others. First you need to know about your religious book. It has only 1430 pages and in a very simple languages. You can’t even understand that and you are talking about Hindu scriptures which is out of your reach to understand. From your childhood till now you could not even finished reading your holy book and you are throwing stones on Hinduism. If you had spent all that time in learning about SGGS you would have a different person of values and with very furnished neat and clean language. I hope you will start reading SGGS now and will try to know about your Gurus through their Bani.

Reality said...

Well your argument is completely out of track. That clearly shows you don’t know anything about Guru Nanak Dev ji

HS Karmuwala said...

First of all, I am.not like you I did read sri guru granth sahib ji a lot of time. It is not in a simple language I am sure you didn't even read a single shabad of SGGS. Secondly, please let me know if it is not in your religion to bow your heads in front of stones.

Reality said...

Let me correct you mathematically. There is no such thing 10000%. Percentage is only up to 100%. Oh you are bad in mathematics too. Well don’t worry start learning that too. Slowly slowly you would learn that too

HS Karmuwala said...

I know what I know. And I am damn sure that you didn't know about your religion as I understand from your statement of relating science with it.

HS Karmuwala said...

You don't even know a bit either about mine or your religion.

Reality said...

So you accept that Sikhs are out of track and don’t follow gurus. If you are unable to correct your own community then why you are bringing out your frustrations on others.

HS Karmuwala said...

I am sure that you are a person who concentrate fully to his life without caring anyone else and without even worshipping his god.

HS Karmuwala said...

Who said sikhs are out of track . you are not getting answers of my question thats why replying . this sikhs are all on track and do what their gurus said. But, I am saying that people like your are creating confusion . As your replies also show that you are confused. Couldn't get my statements.you should first concentrate on english reading and understanding.

HS Karmuwala said...

I have a lot of frustration on the person like you which are themselves confused and also creating confusion in all other people . but, in whole they try to be very gentle and calm. Actually , in reality they are not calm from inside and fighting with their thoughts. In between that create confusion between other persons.

Reality said...

Not stones. It’s called dieties. Well for illiterate people it could be kala akshar Bhai s brabar but all gurus used very simple language. Well you probably know only Punjabi. But let me tell you SGGS is not written in Punjabi. Gurus used arbi pharsi Urdu Braj Hindi languages. Because you ahave set your area not to learn anything belong to Hindus and your this thought took you far away from your gurus. There are other languages too used by Bhagats and thirty Hindus. By the way do you know how many gurus banis written in SGGS. Looks like you go somewhere in between to get information and then reply me.

Reality said...

Well your words and ego do not want you to accept that Hinduism is based on science. But your frustration shows that your inner soul accepts that it is true. Right now you are not only arguing with me but also struggling with your inner soul too.

HS Karmuwala said...

You r just copying my statements

Reality said...

Well did you see me using bad words for Sikhism. It’s you who are not respecting others religion. Look at your statements what bad words you have used for Hinduism. Now I am confused did you write this about me or yourself ? Because what you wrote it applies to you.

HS Karmuwala said...

You could not prove how hinduism is scientific
. you r just confused.

HS Karmuwala said...

Just prove that how worshiping stones is scientific and I will become hindu.

HS Karmuwala said...

Bad word make you cry.

Reality said...

Lol so you are playing a blame game. Well I win you need to have a solid argument. Blame hammers always lose the debate.

HS Karmuwala said...

You starts it I am continuing it.

Reality said...

I am not a fighter and I don’t have to be. I don’t even need to prove you wrong because you yourself contradicting if your statements. Lol

HS Karmuwala said...

You just admit that hinduism is not scientific. I will stop.

HS Karmuwala said...

You admit that you couldn't prove this.

Reality said...

A person who could not finish 1430 pages of his holy scripture how I could expect from him to know Vedas upnishdas puranas. Ok tell me what is Chandi di waar

HS Karmuwala said...

You are losing as you are now leaving the argument. I am not contradicting myself but, stating the truth. And you are running from truth.

HS Karmuwala said...

I finished SGGS . but, you didn't even know a bit about vedas.

HS Karmuwala said...

Vedas are just stories nothing else I read that also.but, I am full sure that you don't what is written in it. As you r saying hinduism scientific 😂 lol!

HS Karmuwala said...

Just prove that piss drinking is scientific.

Reality said...

Well first of all my purpose is not to change your religion. I can prove it. But you don’t have to change your religion. By the way learning about other religions and respecting other religion is good but one should stay with his owns. Just like to respect others parents you don’t have to leave your own parents. Just grow up. What are you talking about. You are so childish and aggravating for no reason.

HS Karmuwala said...

Just prove that a person is different from another on the basis of its caste

HS Karmuwala said...

If you are saying that you could prove then do it. And prove also that how bathing in polluted ganga will take all of your sins from your.

Reality said...

Not at all. I don’t cry. If you curse Hinduism. Or burn any Hindu scripture I won’t rebel. Because I know Hinduism is Snatan Gyan and it can’t be damaged by cursing or burning it

HS Karmuwala said...

How one person can havea head of elephant.

HS Karmuwala said...

Thats why you burn our SGGS because this what snatan gyan told you.

Reality said...

I won’t cry but if feel happy or get peace by cursing it you can go ahead continue doing it. I believe in karma and I know it comes back. So why worry.

HS Karmuwala said...

I am cursing hinduism because it is actually a piece of shit.

Reality said...

Lol. I don’t care. You continue. I don’t have to stop you.

Reality said...

Lol but you could not prove that it’s not scientific

HS Karmuwala said...

I believe in god and know that what I and doing I have to pay for that but, only If I do wrong. But, If I try to make any idiot to come on a track then, nothing will happen to me.

Reality said...

People who find mistakes in others and in their belief actually they are running away from truth. I respect all religions. I am not fanatic so why I would have to run away and from whom.

HS Karmuwala said...

It is not scientific. Just say it to any scientists and if he don't beat your ass then, ask me . I bet that any scientists if heard this kind of shits will definitely call you a maniac

HS Karmuwala said...

I am also not running away because I know that your statement is just a shit. Hinduism is just a piece of shit. I will keep repeating it.

Reality said...

Lol to whom you lying me or yourself. Until today Sikh community could not even finish its translation and you are claiming that you have finished it. Wow I have to tell Sikh community to contact you. May be you will be able to help them in finishing its translation.

Reality said...

Ok tell me how many Vedas and what are the names.

HS Karmuwala said...

You definitely didn't concentrate on science in your school. That what your statements are saying about you.

HS Karmuwala said...

What finished who told you that I finished vedas just read them and found that they are just a shit. And leave reading. I don't need translate. I was saying that you don't know about your religion thats why are asking me.aboyt vedas.you could just google it. Your should.aslo learn english reading please.

Reality said...

Yes. You take it to the lab and the scientist will tell you that it has all the important chemical EA which help to keep your body fit. You take medicines. Those medicines has animal bones and other parts. So same thing with our body. Our body is made of five elements

HS Karmuwala said...

Science & hinduism ????

HS Karmuwala said...

Oh really then can you please inform in a same fucking sense why don't you eat cow meat. & go to hell if I is not important as like all other parts of animals.

HS Karmuwala said...

You could just make rubbish theory like science prove this is important and this is not. Why then athletes don't drink piss . why even indian athletes don't take piss in their bottles to drink on cricket field.or anywhere else. Why this much population of your country don't have any world footballer who could make it to world championship.

HS Karmuwala said...

You could just make rubbish theory like science prove this is important and this is not. Why then athletes don't drink piss . why even indian athletes don't take piss in their bottles to drink on cricket field.or anywhere else. Why this much population of your country don't have any world footballer who could make it to world championship.

HS Karmuwala said...

Your religion is just mythology. Believe it. That why their stories don't work in real life. Thats why sri guru nanak dev ji refuse to be a hindu.

Reality said...

Hinduism did not make castism. Hinduism categorised people according to their varnas. Meaning yodhas are considered Kshatriya People who had Vidya are considered Brahmins and people who were doing small jobs to run their survivals are called shudras. They were divided into three different categories. In Sikhism there is caste based discrimination. Jat Sikh consider themselves superior than lubanas. Then there is Bhapa category. They kill their children if they marry with lubanas. Biggest example Bibi Jagir Kaur Akali dal Badal party leader who killed her daughter because she married to lubana

HS Karmuwala said...

You r just illiterate. Don't have knowledge about science.

HS Karmuwala said...

Hahahaha

HS Karmuwala said...

In Sikhism there is caste discrimination. Why i Didn't kill myself before reading this. Just ask any singh if he is jatt. I am sikh and I am not jatt. After you enter in sikhism caste based discriminations are gone.but, similarly , when your entered in hinduism.discrimination started.why ambedhkar had to face that much problems in his childhood due to caste discrimination. Tell me any real story about caste discrimination in sikhism.
Why don't you die now.

Reality said...

Ganga river water comes from Himalaya and no one knows the starting point of it even after many tries. You are saying it’s water is polluted but if you take that to lab it will be considered pure water because many scientists have tried and could not prove it polluted. No matter what you throw in it it still have all those minerals without getting polluted. The whole world’s scienctists admits that and now you want to prove that they are wrong. Then do the lad experiment by yourself.

HS Karmuwala said...

Please get out of this life. You r out this worlds science and logics.One more subject added history . Don't know about science, English, history. What else.

Reality said...

It has so much detail and needs lot of typing. But it is possible. If a monkey could turn into humans then why can’t this. Our forefathers were monkeys right?

HS Karmuwala said...

Ganga's starting point no one.knows
Just rubbish theory. You r making

Reality said...

Sikhs burn SGGS not Hindus. Go do search. It was a Sikh lady.

HS Karmuwala said...

Your forfather will be monkey mine not. Why now monkeys don't change into humans. It was evolution which mean monkey and human was one many years ago. But they come out as different animals.

HS Karmuwala said...

Search again it was hindus in 1984.

HS Karmuwala said...

You don't know who is sikhs is not who born in sikh family and have kaur behind her name and singh behind his name

HS Karmuwala said...

That was confuse lady. Like you. All the hindu and muslims are also sikh if they don't cut their hairs.

Reality said...

I have already explained it. S-scientifically H-Holitically I-Immensely T-Triggered. You still haven’t told me how many Vedas have you read and what re the names.

Reality said...

So you are saying cursing others is good karma? Also are you God who is trying to correct others. Come on a person who himself don’t know how to talk is trying to correct others. Good joke hahhahhahah

Reality said...

I could see Sikhism in your words. Well done baby go head. You are on right track. Now I could believe that you have read the whole SGGS. I don’t want any child to read the SGGS anymore. If this is what you learn then I wish no Sikh could read it

HS Karmuwala said...

You was not saying bad words. What happened now.lol
Only god don't try to make anyone right. Ut is our responsibility to make idiot a smart guy. how to talk i know very well man. But, you don't know how to read, and how to prove scientifically.

HS Karmuwala said...

I know what you know about science. I don't want any scientists to read this. I think that you should go to school tomorrow. Ask your teacher to teAch you science.

HS Karmuwala said...

Take it , There are four Vedas: the Rigveda, the Yajurveda, the Samaveda and the Atharvaveda. Okay you might now will start learning about you religion.

HS Karmuwala said...

Where you gone?? Go to library learning about science kid !

HS Karmuwala said...

Your parents are definitely not a good one. As they give their child phone to type idiotic things in a so small age in which he don't starts learning about science.

Reality said...

Whole world knows when Khalsa Panth was created 13 April 1699. I am putting date for you for your kind information. Probably you don’t know and your are saying all Muslims and Hindus are Sikh if they don’t cut their hair. First off bani says Bani paran lai baaney di lor nahi. And you are saying to be a Sikh one has to have hairs. Lol. What a shame. You call yourself Sikh and don’t even know what Guru says in bani. And if I believe your words then these days 90% Sikh boys don’t have long hair and girls cut their hair goes to salon for threading.

HS Karmuwala said...

Whoever cut hairs whether he or she belongbto sikh family is not sikh. Then you cut your hairs to be hindu if you don't cut your you would ne sikh.

Reality said...

You did not answer what is Chandi war. Let me tell you because definitely you don’t know that is why you did not answer. It’s a translation of Hindu scripture called Markandya Puran.

HS Karmuwala said...

There are lot of persons like you who r confused.

HS Karmuwala said...

Chandi di war is not in SGGS. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SIKHISM. THAT IS ALSO CREATED BY PERSONS LIKE YOU TO CREATE CONFUSION.

Reality said...

Great. So you did search online and that is why it took you so long to answer that. But let me tell you. Veda is only one and its four different parts of it. Hahahhaha well good try though. At least you tried to learn something so I acknowledge it

HS Karmuwala said...

I am saying you from very beginning that our gurus never praise ur gods. All else out of SGGS is not sikhism and is created ny the persons like you , who kill innocent and divide them by creating confusion.

Reality said...

How you could say I am a kid. See you just say things without knowing. Baby you need to control your mouth

HS Karmuwala said...

Vedas are four you don't know about ur religion as i was saying before

HS Karmuwala said...

You got roasted. And now starts getting angry. I don't think you are goog student in school how much marks you got this year. Or you got failed especially in science.

Reality said...

Well then why there are three categories of Sikhs? Amritdhari Sikh Keshdhari Sikh and sehajdhari sikh? Probably I asked a difficult question. But go do search again

HS Karmuwala said...

You should learn from your father what is in your religion then come to comment out here.

HS Karmuwala said...

There is not any category of sikh. You r just illiterate. Did you ever read rehat maryada of sikhs.

Reality said...

Baby it’s part of Dasham granth which is written by Guru Govinder Singh. Sorry why I forget that you don’t even know about your own religion

Reality said...

Guru Gobind Singh

HS Karmuwala said...

Come here when you fully grown up . especially mentally grown up.

HS Karmuwala said...

Dasam granth ???

Reality said...

??????? You don’t even know what you want to say or ask

Reality said...

Hahahahshshs

HS Karmuwala said...

Did you ever gone to harmandir sahib. Is there any dasam.granth over there you are out of your mind boy. Confused.

HS Karmuwala said...

You don't even know what is in sikhism. WAIT you even don't know about vedas then how could you know about sikhism . do some homework.

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